Saturday, September 22, 2007
Similarities in Christ and Krishna Stories
Background Postings
Isis-Jesus-Isha-Isha-Masi
Christ-Krist-And-Krishna-Chrisna
Savior-Christ-And-Savaria-Chrishna
In 1700's and 1800's there were many intense debates among the western scholars of Theology and History and Christians priests, when they learnt about Krishna and his stories in India, and were amazed at many coincidences in the stories and the names of the two saviors.
They had thought that the Hindus had copied from the Christians but also found the mention of "Krishna" on pillars of Ashoka and of a Greek Ambassador in Afganistan, and on some Greek Pillars in MP, India, which was contrary to their beliefs, as these artifacts could not have been suddenly fabricated.
Their accusation was that the Brahmins had conveyed together and forged a big mass of scriptural collections to fabricate this so called history of Krishna but this went against the fact that India was a such a large country, and the Brahmin community was viciously divisive and far flung in all the nooks and corner, that it would have been impossible to co-ordinate and convey a secret convention for such a grandiose agenda so efficiently and secretly to throw wool at the eyes of their colonist conquerors.
It is said that the word Krishna was very common in Egypt, and during the First World War, the Indian Soldiers who had returned from Egypt, claimed that they saw a lot of ruins of temples with Krishna like damaged statues. (Source Asiatic Researches and Geoffery Higgins). They may be the statues of Isis, which sounds like the Sanskrit word for God, "Ishah" or "Ishish".
KRISHNA
Epoch: Hindu traditions fix it at 3100 BC.
Krishna descends of a royal family, but is brought up by shepherds and is called the Shepherd God.
His birth and divine descent are kept secret from Kansha. He is born in a dungeon in the darkness of night. A holy man predicts his birth.
He is an incarnation of Vishnu, the second person of the Trimurti - the Hindu Trinity.
Krishna was worshipped at Mathura, Vrindaavan and Nandgau, on the river Jumuna or Yamuna.
Krishna is persecuted by Kansa, the tyrant King of Mathura, but miraculously escapes.
In the hope of destroying the child, the king has thousands of male innocents slaughtered.
Krishna's was an immaculate virgin conception (but had given birth to eight sons before Krishna). God appears before her and says he will enter her and take birth as her child. In science this is called “Parthenogenesis” and proven to exist in Mammals and being tried in the labs.
Krishna is endowed with beauty, omniscience, and omnipotence from birth. Produces miracles, cures the lame and blind, and casts out demons. Washes the feet of the Brahmans, and descending to the lowest regions of Hell, liberates the dead, and returns to Vaicuntha--the paradise of Vishnu. Krishna was the God Vishnu himself in human form.
Krishna converts cow-herd boys into calves, and vice versa when protecting them.
He crushes the Serpent's head.
Krishna is Unitarian. He persecutes the clergy, charges them with ambition and hypocrisy to their faces, and divulges the great secrets of the Sanctuary--the Unity of God and immortality of our spirit.
Tradition says he was a victim to their vengeance. His favorite disciple, Arjuna, never deserts him till the end.
There are credible traditions that he died on the cross (a tree), nailed to it by an arrow.
The best scholars agree that the Irish Cross at Tuam, erected long before the Christian era, is Asiatic. (See Round Towers, p. 296, et seq., by O'Brien; also Reli gions de l'Antiquie; Creuzer's Symbolik, vol. i., p. 208; and engraving in Dr. Lundy's Monumental Christianity, p. 160.)
Krishna ascends to Swarga and becomes Nirguna.
JESUS.
Epoch: 2000 years before - 0 AD/BC.
His birth and royal descent are concealed from Herod the tyrant.
Jesus is a descendent of the royal family of David.
He is born in a cave, in the darkness of night. Three Magis from the East follow the stars in prediction of his birth. Roman Empire is warned of the birth of the Real King.
He is worshipped by shepherds at his birth, and is called the "Good Shepherd" (See Gospel according to John).
He is an incarnation of the Holy Ghost, then the second person of the Trinity, now the third. But the Trinity was not invented until 325 years after his birth.
He went to Mathura or Matarea, Egypt, and produced his first miracles there (See Gospel of Infancy).
Jesus is persecuted by Herod, King of Judaea, but escapes into Egypt under conduct of an angel.
To assure his slaughter, Herod orders a massacre of innocents, and 40,000 were slain.
Jesus' mother was Mary, Mariam, or Miriam; married to her husband, yet an immaculate virgin, but had several children besides Jesus. (See Matthew xiii. 55, 56.)
Jesus is endowed with beauty, omniscience, and omnipotence from birth. (See Gospels and the Apocryphal Testament.)
He passes his life with sinners and publicans and casts out demons likewise.
Jesus is said to have crushed the Serpent's head, agreeably to original revelation in Genesis.
He also transforms boys into kids, and kids into boys. (Gospel of Infancy.)
Jesus rebels against the old Jewish law; denounces the Scribes, and Pharisees, and the synagogue for hypocrisy and dogmatic intolerance. Breaks the Sabbath, and defies the Law. He is accused by the Jews of divulging the secrets of the Sanctuary.
He is put to death on a cross (a tree). Of the little handful of disciples whom he had converted, one betrays him, one denies him, and the others desert him at the last, except John--the disciple he loved.
This is adapted from Isis Unveiled by H.P. Blavatsky.
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Monday, September 17, 2007
Christian Gnostics - Were they like Hindus
The religion of India is not one but many and for historical reasons it has been given one name by the western people. It is a system of many beliefs and philosophies like a giant University catering to as many student population coming from different walks of life, wanting to do different things.
The same can be said about the ancient religions of Europe, Asia and Middle East, which had much in common, just like the different religious ideas of India get clubbed under Hinduism.
Gnostics were people who were in Middle East, Egypt, Greece, Italy, Turkey and Asia Minor, and who were preaching Christ's teaching but were not considered to be fellow Christians by the early Church Founders. All the Gnostics teachings, libraries and some places of worships were burnt, ransacked and taken over. In a systematized way with the propaganda by the Church Fathers, they were also considered Heretics.
Recent discoveries of texts in the farmlands of Egypt, called Nag Hamadi, which survived the burnings, exposes a contrary picture and the real truth behind what laid behind Gnostics.
The text by King, The Gnostics and Their Remains, talks about this:
"Basilides in order to invent something more refined and plausible in the Gnostic speculative philosophy pushed his investigations even into the Infinite. He asserted that God, the uncreated eternal Father, first brought forth Nous or Mind; and Mind, the Logos, Word; this in turn, Phronesis, Intelligence; whence came forth Sophia, Wisdom, and Dynamis, Strength." Irenæus understands Basilides as making a Quinternion of Beings or Personal Intelligences external to the Godhead: but Bellermann with more reason takes them as signifying personified attributes of the Supreme forms of his working internally and externally. According to this explanation Basilides would only have borrowed his system from the Kabbala; it is however equally likely that he drew the whole from a much more distant source, and that his "Untreated" and "Quinternion" stand in truth for the First Buddha and the successive Five.
"When the uncreated eternal Father beheld the corruption of mankind, he sent his Firstborn, Nous, into the world in the form of Christ, for the redeeming of all that believe in him out of the power of those who fabricated the world--namely, the Demiurgus and his Six sons, the planetary Genii. Nous appeared amongst men as the Man Jesus, and wrought miracles. This Christ did not die in person, but Simon the Cyrenian, to whom he lent his bodily form, suffered in his stead; inasmuch as the Divine Power, the Nous of the Eternal Father, is not corporeal, and therefore cannot die. Whoso therefore maintains that Christ has died is still the bondman of Ignorance, but whoso denies the same, he is a freeman, and hath understood the purpose of the Father." From this tenet the Basilidans got the opprobrious title of "Docetae" (Illusionists). Similarly the pious Brahmins explain away all such of their legends as are inconsistent with our notions of divine dignity by making them all "Maya" (illusion). The same is also the doctrine of the Koran (Cap. iv.) upon this point: "And for that they have not believed upon Jesus, and have spoken against Mary a grievous calumny, and have said, Verily we have slain Christ Jesus, the Son of Mary, the apostle of God; yet they slew him not, neither crucified him, but he was represented by one in his likeness; and verily they were disagreed concerning him, were in a doubt as to this matter, and had no true knowledge thereof, but followed only an uncertain opinion. They did not really kill him, but God took him up unto himself, and God is mighty and wise."
The system just described coincides to a remarkable degree with the Brahminical, where the First Principle produces in succession the Five Powers--Mahasiva, Sadasiva, Rudra, Vishnu and Brahma--who are held by some for mere attributes of the Godhead; by others are taken in a materialistic sense for Æther, Air, Fire, Water, Earth. But possibly, as Mosheim so long ago maintained, the whole Gnostic system is derived, not from the Kabbala, nor from the Greek philosophy, but from the theosophy of the Brahmins.
The same can be said about the ancient religions of Europe, Asia and Middle East, which had much in common, just like the different religious ideas of India get clubbed under Hinduism.
Gnostics were people who were in Middle East, Egypt, Greece, Italy, Turkey and Asia Minor, and who were preaching Christ's teaching but were not considered to be fellow Christians by the early Church Founders. All the Gnostics teachings, libraries and some places of worships were burnt, ransacked and taken over. In a systematized way with the propaganda by the Church Fathers, they were also considered Heretics.
Recent discoveries of texts in the farmlands of Egypt, called Nag Hamadi, which survived the burnings, exposes a contrary picture and the real truth behind what laid behind Gnostics.
The text by King, The Gnostics and Their Remains, talks about this:
"Basilides in order to invent something more refined and plausible in the Gnostic speculative philosophy pushed his investigations even into the Infinite. He asserted that God, the uncreated eternal Father, first brought forth Nous or Mind; and Mind, the Logos, Word; this in turn, Phronesis, Intelligence; whence came forth Sophia, Wisdom, and Dynamis, Strength." Irenæus understands Basilides as making a Quinternion of Beings or Personal Intelligences external to the Godhead: but Bellermann with more reason takes them as signifying personified attributes of the Supreme forms of his working internally and externally. According to this explanation Basilides would only have borrowed his system from the Kabbala; it is however equally likely that he drew the whole from a much more distant source, and that his "Untreated" and "Quinternion" stand in truth for the First Buddha and the successive Five.
"When the uncreated eternal Father beheld the corruption of mankind, he sent his Firstborn, Nous, into the world in the form of Christ, for the redeeming of all that believe in him out of the power of those who fabricated the world--namely, the Demiurgus and his Six sons, the planetary Genii. Nous appeared amongst men as the Man Jesus, and wrought miracles. This Christ did not die in person, but Simon the Cyrenian, to whom he lent his bodily form, suffered in his stead; inasmuch as the Divine Power, the Nous of the Eternal Father, is not corporeal, and therefore cannot die. Whoso therefore maintains that Christ has died is still the bondman of Ignorance, but whoso denies the same, he is a freeman, and hath understood the purpose of the Father." From this tenet the Basilidans got the opprobrious title of "Docetae" (Illusionists). Similarly the pious Brahmins explain away all such of their legends as are inconsistent with our notions of divine dignity by making them all "Maya" (illusion). The same is also the doctrine of the Koran (Cap. iv.) upon this point: "And for that they have not believed upon Jesus, and have spoken against Mary a grievous calumny, and have said, Verily we have slain Christ Jesus, the Son of Mary, the apostle of God; yet they slew him not, neither crucified him, but he was represented by one in his likeness; and verily they were disagreed concerning him, were in a doubt as to this matter, and had no true knowledge thereof, but followed only an uncertain opinion. They did not really kill him, but God took him up unto himself, and God is mighty and wise."
The system just described coincides to a remarkable degree with the Brahminical, where the First Principle produces in succession the Five Powers--Mahasiva, Sadasiva, Rudra, Vishnu and Brahma--who are held by some for mere attributes of the Godhead; by others are taken in a materialistic sense for Æther, Air, Fire, Water, Earth. But possibly, as Mosheim so long ago maintained, the whole Gnostic system is derived, not from the Kabbala, nor from the Greek philosophy, but from the theosophy of the Brahmins.
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